Depth Psychology & The Human Energy Field | Chance Garton on Cult of Conspiracy #537
A pretty interesting chat here with the Cult of Conspiracy guys, ranging into Jungian depth psychology as a model for the universe, the human energy field and how to tune it, some attempts at a rational discourse on the historicity of scriptures and mythological syncretism, and some laughs too.
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In this episode
Core themes
The biofield and the body in the mind
Chance described the human energy field as the aura, which he preferred to call the biofield, and said it had an anatomy in which different places held specific kinds of information. He said the body is in the mind rather than the reverse, and he pointed to near death experiences as support. Chance explained that he used tuning forks to find stagnant energy and that his goal was to restore free will, adding that he did not claim to heal anyone. The hosts asked what he meant and compared it to instinct.
Depth psychology as a map of reality
Chance described Jung's depth psychology as a framework that could make sense of paranormal reports better than materialism, and he read an idealist argument that the world is layered like the psyche. He said synchronicity suggested hidden symmetries between mind and matter. Chance described the occult as the psychology of the cosmos and offered synchronized metronomes as an example of entrainment toward harmony. The hosts added a story about synchronizing clocks and talked about athletic flow states.
Mystery schools, alchemy, and external saviors
Jacob asked Chance whether mystery school stories and fairy folklore described real events or mental exercises. Chance answered that initiation rites probably aimed at helping a person meet the unconscious. He gave his view that savior figures were allegories, linking alchemical mercury to the idea that the Christ is within. Chance said he was fine with anyone holding a literal belief. The hosts responded with spirit guide stories and their own views on Jesus and egregores.
Star writing and the sources of scripture
Chance described a book called The Celestial Code of Scripture and the Mesopotamian idea of star writing. He said, following that book, that wordplay in constellation and star names was the source of religious revelation, and he used the manger and nativity details as examples. Chance also offered his view that conquerors pressed astronomer priests into writing histories that justified their rule. A host replied that differences between the gospels reflected different audiences, and said he held the biblical figures to be historical.
Faith, letter swaps, and past lives
Jonathan described attending church for a year and finding that belief, not an object or story, made the magic real. Chance described philology rules about swapping letters and argued that this linked David with Teut, while a host said he believed David was a real person. Jacob disagreed that shared belief could make something exist and said he did not hold with egregores. Jacob later described a past life regression session, and Chance said he kept an open mind about reincarnation.
Quotes
“Your mind is not in your body, your body is in your mind. That's sort of like occultism square one, but it is a fact.”
“Everything in the occult, in terms of the magical tradition, when you really boil it down, when you really understand what you're looking at, it's psychology. You're looking at the psychology of the cosmos.”
“The very nature of truth itself is that it cannot be hidden. It cannot be destroyed. It's always present in every quantum of data that your senses are currently experiencing.”
“I'm totally cool with people having any belief they want, even if they think that there's a historical reality to an incarnation of one of these sons of gods, but I think that it's bigger and beyond all that.”
“It's super reasonable to think of the sky as being a conduit to truth, almost like an internet to the collective unconscious, a way of deriving information.”
“If you just say, it's not happening to me, it's happening for me, then you're starting to look at everybody in that supporting cast around you like they have a bigger role, and you start to become thankful for the role that they're playing.”
“Whenever you put your heart and your soul and your absolute belief and total faith into something, the magic exists right there. It doesn't necessarily need to be behind some sort of paywall or some sort of object or some sort of story.”
“I think there's so much to our existence that we don't understand. I think there's so much to our existence that we will never understand.”
Chance Garton is the host and producer of the Innerverse Podcast, where for over a decade he has investigated consciousness, mythology, symbolism, terrain health, and the psychosomatic language of the human body and mind. A biofield tuning practitioner, he uses tuning forks to help clients resolve physical symptoms, break negative patterns, and return to energetic coherence.
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