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Flat Earth Measurements & Navigation

Nathan Oakley: Why the Globe Needs a Flat Earth

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Why does Nathan Oakley say the globe needs a flat Earth? The host of Flat Earth Debate and author of Measured Flat: All Roads Lead to Flat Earth joins Chance Garton to lay out his argument that the globe model is built from measurements of a flat plane. Starting with the vocabulary of science itself, observation, measurement, calculation and experiment, Nathan argues that the word science has been hijacked to lend the feel of proof to a cosmology that rests on flat geography.

From there the conversation works through his housekeeping questions: what an elevation angle actually measures, how sailors fix a position from Polaris and a sextant, why the lines of latitude on a globe are a protractor wrapped around you, why north is a horizontal direction rather than up, and why the molten iron core and the Theia impact story look to him like cognitively expensive distractions. The two close on fear as the signal to go looking for a lie, and on why a simpler picture of the world lets you sleep easier.

ChaptersInside the full 2h 5m episode23 chapters
0:00Why the Globe Needs a Flat Earth
2:11Welcome Nathan Oakley and Measured Flat
4:30How Science Got Hijacked to Sell the Globe
11:48Elevation Angles and the Globe as Protractor
16:00Celestial Navigation: Stars, Sextants and Circles
20:56Minus 90, Times 60: The Flat Triangle
27:25The False Direction Fallacy: North Is Not Up
32:35Azimuth, Theia and the Molten Core Story
38:36Cognitively Expensive Nonsense Waffle
43:01The Narnia Story and Its Priestly Naming Habit
48:51Any Evidence for the Distance to the Sun?
51:55Did Huygens Just Guess Venus Equals Earth?
1:00:54Refracted Curvature and the Line Behind the Title
1:07:23Can Earth Have Gas Pressure Without Containment?
1:10:09Sky Vacuums Versus the Second Law of Thermodynamics
1:17:20Not Incumbent on Us: The Burden of Proof Reversal
1:22:35Chance's Year of Checking Tartaria Claims
1:25:28Nathan's Feast of Nonsense and the Engineered Flat Earther
1:30:51Is There Any Scientific Evidence of Gravity?
1:36:45Quantum Gravity and the Playing Card Thought Experiment
1:41:29Fear Is the Signal to Find the Lie
1:49:00Speculation, God and Living Without Fear
1:56:41Worldview Healing and Where to Find Nathan
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Host of Flat Earth Debate & author of Measured Flat

Nathan Oakley is the host of Flat Earth Debate, a daily live debate show on his YouTube channel Nathan Oakley 1980, where for roughly a decade he has invited the public in to argue the globe against what he calls flat Earth measurements. His approach sidesteps most of the familiar flat Earth arguments and focuses on geography and navigation: elevation angles, azimuth, celestial navigation and the conventions that build the globe model from measurements of a flat plane, framed through a series of housekeeping questions he puts to globe defenders. His first book, Measured Flat: All Roads Lead to Flat Earth, collects those arguments in one place.

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