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Podcast / MARVELOUS DEMYSTIFIERSEPISODE 17 · Nov 2, 2023 · 3h 58m
Loki Episode Two Variants and Twins

The Variant, The Twins, and the Sack-Red Timeline: Loki S1 Ep2 | Marvelous DeMystifiers Ep. 17

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The Variant, The Twins, and the Sack-Red Timeline: Loki S1 Ep2 | Marvelous DeMystifiers Ep. 17

Tonight our analysis of the paradoxical trickster continues as we examine the second episode of Loki, Season 1. The mercurial Gemini symbolism starts getting quite thick, and you know there's a placenta casserole baking in here somewhere. Our piece-by-piece pace through this mystical symbolism will be a fun ride for anyone interested in the big questions of life, like free-will vs. determinism, timeline manipulation and legal system sorcery, the anima/animus, & the holy guardian angel.

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Core themes

5 themes
1

Maypole, Tonsure and the Old Self

Chance read the opening maypole dance as a world tree and Beltane image and called Loki a Hermes style mercurial figure whose new self was being born. He said the tonsured children in the next shot symbolized a person joining an order and leaving an old identity behind, which matched Loki's turn away from his classic villain self. Chance tied the horned druid's fangs to the Hebrew letter shin, which he said meant teeth, sharp and repeat. One of the hosts then linked the same figure to the Aeon card in the Thoth tarot, where the letter shin sits at the child's feet.

2

The Tempad, Straw Man and Official Narrative

Chance noticed that the tempad carried by the TVA resembled an iPhone, and he said phones had become people's access to the sacred timeline, the approved official narrative, so people deferred to authority stories faster than ever. One of the hosts added that Mercury was the eightieth element, which he found fitting for a culture that trusted its messenger. A host also described the straw man, the legal person tied to a name and a timestamp, as a cartoon that obeyed cartoon rules, because a record meant nothing without its time. Anyone out of sync with the clock, he said, became an agent of chaos.

3

Placenta, Jacket and the Word Variant

The hosts spent time on the Miss Minutes scene, where Chance read her answer that she was sort of a recording and sort of alive as a hint at the placenta, which he described as a guardian and lifeline carrying ancestral knowledge. One host then called Loki's new jacket the coat a person is born wearing. When the word variant came up, Chance said it meant tending to change, fit the mercurial Loki and was an anagram of river. One of the hosts then raised the old common law phrase about wearing the wolf's head, and the hosts linked it to Loki's saying about wolf's ears and wolf's teeth.

4

Determinism, Origins and Hume's Guillotine

Chance narrated the Mobius and Loki exchange about where anyone came from and said every philosophy and cosmology rested on something unprovable, so no one could fully know the past, since history was always a story. He said his own view was that people had always existed. One of the hosts explained Hume's guillotine as the line between what is and what ought to be, arguing that science could not say what people should do. The hosts also pushed back on neuroscientist Robert Sapolsky's argument against free will, and Chance praised Loki's line that no one bad is ever truly bad.

5

Apocalypse Clues, Krakatoa and the Twins

Gabe read the apocalypse dates Loki found as coded messages. He said 248 years was a Pluto return and that Pluto had just returned in 2022, so the number suited coming upheaval, and he took the extinction of the swallow in 2050 as a sign that luck was running out. Gabe tied Krakatoa to Munch's The Scream and said the Aeon card answered the scream with a hush. Chance pointed out that the number twenty kept recurring and linked the meeting of the two Lokis to birth and the placenta twin, while Gabe tied the changing store signs to the Eleusinian mysteries.

Quotes

13 quotes
“I intend to break it down in a very granular fashion because this is one of those things that seems to prove that what we talk about in symbolism is real and is known by those who are putting the programming out there into the world. It's a mountain of evidence. You know, the lie dies under the weight of its own details.”
“The Loki thing is really fascinating to me. The signs and signals are kind of all there. Coming through on my second watch, I'm seeing a lot more indicators along the lines of pre-crime. I didn't really think of that in that context the first time through.”
“If you ever told me, when I was in my twenties and really into comic books in college, that I would get, as my job, to break down esoteric stuff from comic book shows, I would have been stoked about that. That's a great job.”
“In terms of the sacred timeline, which is the approved official narrative of human history in our story, our iPhones have become our access to the sacred timeline. I feel like a lot of people know more about the official story on things than ever before, and we're quicker to defer to the authority story because we have access to it within reach, right in our pocket.”
“That's one of the reasons I like this show, is that you see the gamma being redeemed and becoming a nice, healthy bravo or delta, meaning somebody that can play a support role, can support the rest of their community, cede power to those who are better fit for a job or a role, not get all bent out of shape over feeling inferior. So I like to see that.”
“Variant, etymologically, the simplest definition for that would be tending to change, which is a perfect reference to the mercurial archetype, which is what Loki is. V-A-R-I is an anagram for river.”
“Your origin is unknowable, and that applies in the macrocosm, because no matter how good we get at geology, archaeology, astrophysics, all these things, no one's ever going to actually be able to know. History is always a story. All that exists is actually right now.”
“Loki has one of the most wise statements in the show, where he says, no one bad is ever truly bad and no one good is ever truly good. That's, I think, the nutshell, the nuance that you really need in life to get through without heroes and villains controlling your worldview and making you feel like a victim or small or disempowered.”
“The 248 years is Pluto's return number. And Pluto just returned in 2022. So that's an interesting number for them to hail as a disaster, because Pluto is going to till up the soil and turn everything and bring revolution. So yeah, that was a very significant number that they used, the 248.”
“Edvard Munch was walking along this boardwalk and he almost passed out because he had a feeling exactly like Obi-Wan Kenobi. He had a sense that thousands of voices were crying out in agony and they were all suddenly silenced. And so that's a call and response. The call is the scream, and the response is the hush, the silence.”
“This is why we're doing this. That's why we're covering the show. And hopefully it also gives people maybe some training on, not saying that we're experts or anything, but training on how to decipher symbolism in film or just symbolism in general, some symbolic literacy.”
“The three aspects of the Eleusinian mysteries are that which is shown, that which is told, and that which is performed. And sometimes you're being told one thing, shown something completely different, and then the actions are a third thing entirely. And so I think it's very important to always be aware that we presume that we're going to see what we were told.”
“You're very graciously welcomed to add to our thoughts and drop your weaves into our telegram chat. We'd love to know. Maybe we missed something huge, or maybe we're teetering on the edge of a realization and we didn't quite click the pieces together. And you saw it. So let us know.”
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