Secret Decoder Ring Theology with Brother Marty Leeds
Marty Leeds, the arithmetic assessor of anagogic astrotheology, joins Vibe Rant tonight to update us about his new books, the Gnostic Academy of Lord Jesus Christ, a new documentary on the Gospel of Mark, and how life is going up nort' this summer.
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In this episode
Core themes
Honest Research Over Celebrity Status
Marty described his last decade as scientific method applied to esoterica, with each book distilling what held up from what failed. He said he was willing to call parts of his own earlier work dead wrong and argued that doing so was the responsible thing, which he felt the truth community rarely managed. Marty also said he never pursued his work for likes or shares and judged researchers by whether their work held up years later. Chance said he was shifting from building an online platform toward work that mattered locally.
Astrotheology Behind the Gospel of Mark
Chance praised Marty's new documentary on the astrotheology of the Gospel of Mark, saying it was concise and accessible enough that he showed a segment to his parents over dinner. Marty said he was filling a void, since he knew of no modern researcher going that deep, and that he intended to give Revelation the same treatment. Using a star chart one of the hosts pulled up, Marty matched the beast imagery in Revelation to Draco, Ursa Major and Leo, and argued that Greek mythology was plainly built on the stars, so the Bible might be doing the same.
Freemasonry, Mystery and the Gatekeeper Problem
Marty defended Freemasonry as a library of ancient symbols, said the all seeing eye also appeared in Christian art, and urged listeners to read primary sources instead of repeating conspiracy claims. He said he never joined a lodge because he saw modern lodges drifting from their purpose. Gabe said he had watched several prominent lodges close. Marty argued that sealing knowledge behind mystery pushed sincere seekers to work harder, while one of the hosts argued the real problem was the middleman standing between a person and the source.
Psychedelics, Downloads and Receiving Knowledge
One of the hosts suggested a psychedelic age was supplying a new kind of temple for seekers and compared Dante's three realms to a DMT journey. Marty said psychedelics could be a useful tool, even in ceremony, but asked what a person actually brought back from them and cautioned against seeking everything externally. After a host described a day in 2019 when language seemed to open up, Marty said he had known similar moments of sudden understanding, called them Kabbalah, meaning receiving, and said he could take no credit for them.
Language, Numbers and Alchemy of the Soul
The conversation turned to English as an esoteric language rather than a slave language, with anagram examples such as silent and listen. Marty argued that numbers were supernatural because they existed everywhere in nature yet nowhere as a physical thing. Answering a Telegram voice message from Gordy 2Shoes, Marty said the lab was always the person and called alchemy the chemistry of the soul. He added that one must see how dark it goes before understanding how bright the light is. After he left, the hosts traded symbolic readings of Vulcanalia and the Medusa festival.
Quotes
“In any honest pursuit, you're gonna stumble like an idiot. You're gonna scrape your knees. You're gonna fall. You're gonna bust an ankle. And you're gonna do stupid shit. That's part of the thing. And if you can't accept that, I'm sorry, but you're weak. I'm just gonna say it. That's weak research. It's second rate.”
“For me, that was sort of step one, not that I'm famous online, but step one was to try to create a platform with my mission to get voices like yours out there more. But now I'm in a position where I'm like, OK, how can I do the work for real myself?”
“I always thought that was just foolishness until one day I used to work at Whole Foods in Boulder, Colorado. And one night I'm closing up the produce department there. And one of my heroes comes walking in the store and something came up in me that I could not describe because I don't have a lot of heroes.”
“I've looked for astrotheology documentaries for years. I've wanted to find something that was so concise and well put together and accessible, but also still detailed enough to paint the big picture well that I could show my parents.”
“As far as modern researchers that would go that in depth, I don't know anybody. So I mean, I'm essentially just sort of filling a void there. You know, that's it. It needs to be done. And I guess I'm the guy to do it.”
“Now what's so funny about this is that if you actually do your study of classical works of literature and things like that or as you guys know the Greek mythologies, there's not even a question that these things are based on the stars.”
“I've seen quite a few lodges have shut down over the past few years. I'd say three to five years. I've actually seen some very well established prominent lodges shut down their doors and now it's like a ghost town.”
“It's a huge peak up there and not everybody's going to get there. And the whole point of that in this sense, why that peak is there is to weed out the people that are actually going to have the fortitude and strength and the dedication to get to the fricking top.”
“Kabbalah means receiving, like you receive things from other realms, right? You're a receiver and there's some tune that's coming and then you're there to receive it. That doesn't mean you're always the best receiver, you know, in this sense, you're a stenographer for the Lord and sometimes we can't type very well.”
“Do you know what supernatural is? Numbers. Numbers are supernatural, period. So here you think something magical, woo woo woo, and actually numbers are supernatural. What do I mean? There's not like a physical number 13 that exists down the hall over here.”
“I have this issue with this word. This word we keep using, I don't think it means what we think it means. And that word is alchemy. Maybe it's just one of those amorphous words that we just throw around and redefine for ourselves, and that's partially true because everything doesn't really exist unless we interpret it to ourselves.”
“When you talk about alchemy, ultimately that is chemistry of your soul, because that's exactly what every single one of these ancient arts are all about. If you are not transforming your soul and getting prepared to enter heaven, then you're not on any sort of spiritual path.”
“In order for you to understand how truly bright the light is, you have to see how dark it goes first. And then when you see how dark it goes, you realize there's a light that's brighter than that. The darkness comprehended not.”
Gabriel, known on air as Slick Dissident, co-hosts InnerVerse's Vibe Rant show and is a longtime recurring guest on the podcast. He teaches occult symbolism and tarot on his YouTube channel, ranging across the Major Arcana, the esoteric Enneagram, mythology and archetype, mystic linguistics, and the symbolism hidden in popular film. He is best known for Tarot-tories, his own system mapping the 22 Major Arcana and zodiac archetypes onto the geography of the United States.
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