Conspirituality: The Spiritual Side of Conspiracy with Chance Garton | Alt-ernative Podcast #042
I joined Kam and Aaron on the Alt-ernative Podcast for a wide-ranging conversation that moved from conspirituality and creativity to cosmology and common sense.
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In this episode
Core themes
Conspirituality as one road with two doors
Chance described conspirituality as a word that captured how an honest spiritual path leads into conspiracy, and how conspiracy research eventually leads back to spirituality. He said he went through the film Zeitgeist and an atheist phase before running into what he called pop culture Gnosticism, the prison planet and demiurge idea, which he argued can become an excuse for staying a victim. Chance said he rejected that view and saw at least as much reason to call the world good. One of the hosts described returning to conspiracy research when the pandemic hit.
Despair, balance, and sharing what uplifts
Chance argued that much of the material circulating in conspiracy circles delivered despair, and he said sharing it did the beast's job for it. He preferred solutions oriented and uplifting content and described a sober festival near his home, which he guessed drew about 1,200 people, as an example of fun without alcohol. One of the hosts said the pair found that arguing left against right during the pandemic led them toward spirituality. Chance encouraged balancing dark topics with uplifting ones while warning against bypassing real corruption.
Pain, illness, and fragmented souls
Chance said he saw pain and illness as a guidance system rather than a punishment, with a message in every injury and disease, and he tied this to his Biofield Tuning work. He called suppression based medicine a hindrance to finding root causes. He offered a personal theory that people in denial leave behind soul fragments after death, which he described as speculation. Chance also said germ theory had holes, while granting that some bacteria and molds can harm health, and he proposed a consciousness component.
Creativity, imagination, and the inner savior
Chance said creativity was the most important element of a spiritual path, because aligning with the creator meant becoming more original, and he described making art in his twenties as ending a sense of emptiness. He called the flow state of making it up as you go the closest feeling to being tapped into source. Aaron described quitting his corporate job in 2021 and feeling free. Chance also gave an alchemical reading in which the external savior is the mercury to be removed before the philosopher stone appears.
Quartz, floods, and a ring-shaped world
Chance described watching glowing orbs while camping during the 2017 eclipse and, citing Dr. Gregory Little, speculated that some sky phenomena might be plasma life forms tied to quartz and the piezoelectric effect. He then discussed George Wiseman's hydrogen machine and its sludge, and used it to wonder whether floods recharge the world like a battery. Chance also floated an ice wall at Antarctica and rings of land with other planets as suns and moons, repeatedly calling it speculation.
Quotes
“If you were going to honestly authentically pursue a spiritual path, spiritual development, you're going to run into conspiracy, if you're honest, you're going to have to deal with conspiracy. And on the inverse, the same is true.”
“We don't know exactly how we got here, what this place is, or how it was created. But you have just as much, if not a lot more, reasons to see this place as good if you choose to, as to see it as evil and fallen.”
“Just be the happiest, healthiest, most aligned with the truth that you can be and people that are ready will want to know how you're doing that or why you're doing that, they'll ask you, they'll let them come to you.”
“If you want to align yourself with the creator of all or with source or with God or however you like to consider that, whatever the origin is, then you got to start being a little more original.”
“Know that the imagination is not something fake. It's the ground of everything else. Imagination is not a form of thinking. All thinking is a form of imagining. Imagination is the source.”
“When I was in the corporate world, I was so set on getting the promotion so focused on that. I missed all the opportunities around me. And what it's taught me is now I can just be open to any opportunity that comes my way because I'm self employed now.”
“I don't think that it helps to peddle the despair or the disgusting to our echo chambers. That's why I really prefer to focus on solutions oriented and uplifting stuff.”
“And whenever somebody asked me, oh, like, what's your plan? Where do you want to go next? I'm like, I don't know, whatever it takes me, I'll figure it out when it comes to it. When the opportunity comes my way, it feels so free.”
