Dylan Saccoccio: Spirit Whirled, Occult Phonetics, and Natural Law
Dylan Saccoccio joins Chance for their first one-on-one conversation, building on Dylan's Spirit Whirled book series, research into the natural laws encoded inside language, etymology, and symbolism that most people absorb unconsciously their entire lives.
In this session: the 2020 election as political theater and why the outcome never changes the underlying system, universal basic income and why a digital currency with expiration dates is pure control, Dylan's years inside Hollywood and finance and why he walked away, the 10,000 hours concept as a mechanism of indoctrination, flattery as the first tool of the psychic vampire, Dylan's astronomical reading of Satan as adversary, and the first three of the four tenets of Satanism, self-preservation, moral relativism, and social Darwinism. The fourth is in the extended episode.
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Core themes
A Puppet Show in Clown World
The conversation opens in the week of the 2020 election, with Chance describing a celebrating shopper in the hummus aisle and a line of honking Stop the Steal cars on his drive home, and marveling at grown adults so invested in a puppet show. Dylan calls it the presidential freak show and argues the razor-thin margins keep half the country convinced the result is illegitimate whoever wins. He cites Trump's cabinet, including Wilbur Ross and Steve Mnuchin, as his evidence that the government always wins, predicts a digital universal basic income built to push spending over saving, and says the real news is outside, away from the TV.
Art as Service and Its Price
Dylan traces ritual to the Latin ritus, service to God, and argues that whatever you do with your God-given gifts is your gift back, whether you paint, practice medicine or build in stone. He walks through the ten thousand hours and the sacrifices an entertainer makes to reach the top, which he says is why so many go along when an offer arrives that would cost them everything they worked for. Recognition, he warns, is one of the tools these circles use, and he calls much of it kind of insincere. He credits a strong family, led by powerful women, for his refusal to trade integrity for a career.
Flattery and the Energy Vampire
Chance answers with a party story in which a new acquaintance flattered him, then cut across him mid-thought with a pro-state speech and announced that the vibe felt better, leaving him drained; he reads flattery as the psychic vampire's first weapon. He also questions the ten thousand hours idea, asking whether those hours are practiced the right way and suggesting they can amount to indoctrination. Dylan turns to The Lost Boys, where Michael drinks to fit in, as an allegory for newcomers drawn into powerful crowds. The conversation then widens vampirism to the earth itself, and Chance describes debt-based currency as a game of musical chairs.
Satan in the Night Sky
Asked what Satanism really is, Dylan starts with the Hebrew root meaning adversary and argues it is an astronomical term for the sign opposite the sun. He reads Herod beheading John the Baptist as Leo against Aquarius, and Paul and Saul as Pollux against Sagittarius, suggesting scripture passed star allegories off as history. The modern tradition, he says, treats Satan as the ego, which is why Anton LaVey named nine its number, a point Dylan demonstrates with a live calculation. He then lays out three of the four major tenets, self-preservation, moral relativism and social Darwinism, and points listeners to Mark Passio for more.
Spirit, Imagination and Honor
Chance frames mind control as the removal of spirit, leaving two thirds of a man, and sets the adverse against the universe: the artificial put before nature. Dylan ties the word Magi to imagination through an older Akkadian word and calls imagination the key to what makes us different. He explains that the title of his fantasy series plays on honor, and warns that solipsism is a trap handed to useful idiots. Chance replies that real privacy is not isolation, since you always know what you did, and his closing outro urges listeners to see themselves as a verb rather than a noun and to put nature before fiction.
Quotes
“A lot of times people need to just shut their TV off and get off social media and go outside, and that's the real news.”
“We put the boot on our own throat with our belief and our love of government and the legal system as our God.”
“What you do with your gifts that God gave you is your gift back to God.”
“What mind control really is, is not really actually the controlling of the mind, it's the removal of spirit.”
“I can't look at myself in the mirror if I have to compromise who I am to get what I want.”
“Real privacy has nothing to do with being secluded and able to act in an actual isolated vacuum. No matter what, you know what you did.”
“Freedom is always going to be the solution to everything. It doesn't matter what the problem is.”
“Reading is one of those things where it's like it gives you the recipe and your imagination does the work.”
Dylan Saccoccio is the author of the Spirit Whirled series, The Real Universal Empire, and the Tale of Onora. After chasing language back as far as possible, he now explores other avenues to prove cultural diffusion of the ancient universal empire of priests, navigators, masons, and merchants. Find his latest of many hundreds of articles on Substack.
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